I would like it if we, that is LL, could start seriously competing with Nexus

[Miauzi]

Vor 5 Minuten sagte Heroine HoneyCrotch:

 

Ich hoffe aufrichtig, dass Sie nicht gejagt werden. Geld sparen und umziehen wäre mein Rat. Wenn Sie es in die Staaten schaffen, wir haben keine Yahtzees in Florida, wären Sie dort sicher, außer vielleicht vor der Sonne.

 

 

Völlig falsch - ich stehe lose mit einem lesbischen Paar in Florida in Kontakt - ich ziehe bestimmt in keinen Bundeststaat der Unterricht über Geschlechtliche (gender) und sexuelle (sex) Orientierung verbietet!

Denn diesem Paar wird auch langam der Boden wegen der inzwischen völlig enthemmten Anhänger von Mr. Trump zu heiss - die überlegen derzeit aus den USA nach Kanada zu ziehen.

 

[LongDukDong]

1 hour ago, LT12Gauge said:

I'm not sure how sterile and generic they are. They also have 15/16/18+ content (depending on where you live) that blatantly sexualizes video game characters. Just one example:

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/7485

True. But the bulk of their adult content is primarily just base nudity such as the body models alone. Insofar as sexual content, that is primarily the quest mods that deliver sexual innuendos or text. The only content where sexual acts are performed that I have seen present came by way of Claudia's Little Secret.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, LT12Gauge said:

On 11/29/2022 at 9:16 AM, geekyraptorstudios said:

then the decision is clear, LL shouldn't cater to that audience, nor should it have to. we come here for adult mods, let's not try to be a site that is as sterile and generic as Nexus.

What was at the root of that? Was it that Nexus was profiting off the mods and not allocating supporter funds to mod authors in a fair way? 

I pretty much did point out one portion of what would be considered quite evil....

 

On 12/2/2022 at 12:02 AM, LongDukDong said:

Yes, there has been a bit of an exodus over their attempt to add more requirements for mod access, creation of collections which removed author rights as it were, and so on.  There is no arguing that.

... And by that, they are stripping ownership of mods from the mod authors themselves.

 

 

 

On 12/2/2022 at 4:55 AM, Idyll said:

And yet people still get into fights and arguments that turn into frays of people just melee-ing away with their "clever," "mature," and holier-than-thou versions of "universal truths" and whatnot

Yes.  I can see that sides do get picked based upon that.  And for that reason again, I am steering this discussion back to the same central point, the title of this Topic itself.

 

 

On 12/2/2022 at 12:02 AM, LongDukDong said:

It isn't that Panatronic ignored what many talked about, the discussion of the mod removed and its author banned, and the baggage that came along with the discussion.  He basically considered if "LL could start seriously competing with Nexus".  And for that matter, just consider two points and two points alone"

 

1. Does LoversLab have enough servers to contain as much content as Nexus mods for competition?    Answer: NO
2. Does LoversLab have enough capital to purchase enough servers to begin competition?                  Answer: NO

I would certainly hope no one has a problem with the topic being put back... on topic.

 

On a sideline note... the posted imagery from Animal House (c 1978) found by KoolHndLuke did sum up the two attitudes towards sexual content between our two boards (In the spoiler?

Spoiler

 

On 12/2/2022 at 7:11 AM, KoolHndLuke said:

LL mods- 

 

Nexus mods- 

 

 

 

 

So I do feel that this topic has been addressed and answered.

 

Edited December 3, 2022 by LongDukDong

[LT12Gauge]

On 11/29/2022 at 4:53 PM, katrina.balanchuk said:

 

Anyone who doesn't jump on censorship bandwagon to you is a "bigot".

That is an example of bigotry.

It isn't censorship if it's a decision made by a private entity any more than a company standing by a set of their own values and taking Aunt Jemima off the labels of fake syrup bottles.

Don't like it? Be like Frank Zappa. Lobbied against government mandated censorship with good success. When it came down to record labels like Warner trying to wash the controversy out of his music content, he left and started Zappa Records. There he was free to publish his material, his way and that's deserving of respect even from those who may not understand what the whole thing was about.

[LongDukDong]

2 hours ago, LT12Gauge said:

It isn't censorship if it's a decision made by a private entity any more than a company standing by a set of their own values and taking Aunt Jemima off the labels of fake syrup bottles.

  ME being off topic here but...

There are a variety of people who thinks that was a case of Cancel Culture going too far, particularly those who were actually related to her and think it is akin to erasing history.  There was indeed a real Aunt Jemima who was born in Montgomery County, Kentucky. She created the pancake mix herself.  So they essentially cancelled... 'her' and the spokeswomen (real people) who represented her.  (ABCNEWS: The Real Aunt Jemima)

 

But allow me to re-iterate what Nexus Mods stated:

 

Quote

To address the banning, which is what a lot of people want to focus on, the mod was uploaded by a sock puppet account (i.e. a newly made account by someone who already has an account on the site) and uploaded under the name "Mike Hawk". It was very clearly done deliberately to be a troll mod. The fact the user needed to make a sock puppet like a coward to upload the mod showed their intent to troll and that they knew it would not be allowed. Had they not been a coward and had they used their main account instead, we would have simply removed the mod and told them that we did not want to host it, only banning them if they reuploaded it again after being fairly warned. The creation of the sock puppet removed any doubt and made it a very easy decision for us. Both the sock puppet account and the user's main account have been banned.

 

The dialogue in the above quote from Nexus Mods is harsh, referring to the Mod Author now banned as a Troll and Coward.  But while it was aggressive and could have been phrased better, the description is accurate. 

 

Again, person who Nexus mod has now banned was banned for creating a second account solely to post content that he knew would create problems.  He would not have been banned had he uploaded it without a second account, merely warned after the mod's removal.  But let's be clear.  This mod author violated the terms of membership by creating the second account in the first place. And he did so to hide and protect his online identify from any backlash that was sure to occur from the mod now removed.

 

STILL... this is moot and merely argumentative. 

 

I swear, I'm becoming a lawyer here...

 

The topic title asks if we should compete with Nexux.  Do we really wish to become another Nexus?  And do we have the server capacity to compete?  The answer to these questions and the topic title itself is obviously a resounding 'No'

Edited December 3, 2022 by LongDukDong

[Gukahn]

46 minutes ago, LongDukDong said:

Aunt Jemima who

 

So with that said, can we STOP talking about that already? ?

Having to restrict myself not to post anything to fuel the fire of stupidity we're having here.

 

Ya want the thread to be closed? That's how you get the thread closed

 

[spoonsinger]

I want more cheese on LL. Any cheese, doesn't matter. Well except for Swiss. Had to work in a labour camp once scooping out the holes before they went to market, and I can tell you that wrecks your wrists if HR doesn't give you the right sized spoon.

[LT12Gauge]

On 12/3/2022 at 12:44 PM, LongDukDong said:

  ME being off topic here but...

There are a variety of people who thinks that was a case of Cancel Culture going too far, particularly those who were actually related to her and think it is akin to erasing history.  There was indeed a real Aunt Jemima who was born in Montgomery County, Kentucky. She created the pancake mix herself.  So they essentially cancelled... 'her' and the spokeswomen (real people) who represented her.  (ABCNEWS: The Real Aunt Jemima)

 

But allow me to re-iterate what Nexus Mods stated:

 

 

The dialogue in the above quote from Nexus Mods is harsh, referring to the Mod Author now banned as a Troll and Coward.  But while it was aggressive and could have been phrased better, the description is accurate. 

 

Again, person who Nexus mod has now banned was banned for creating a second account solely to post content that he knew would create problems.  He would not have been banned had he uploaded it without a second account, merely warned after the mod's removal.  But let's be clear.  This mod author violated the terms of membership by creating the second account in the first place. And he did so to hide and protect his online identify from any backlash that was sure to occur from the mod now removed.

 

STILL... this is moot and merely argumentative. 

 

I swear, I'm becoming a lawyer here...

 

The topic title asks if we should compete with Nexux.  Do we really wish to become another Nexus?  And do we have the server capacity to compete?  The answer to these questions and the topic title itself is obviously a resounding 'No'

I'll reiterate, whether Aunt Jemima or Nexus or any other private business, the choice the consumer has is to simply stop spending money there. That's it. If it's a publicly traded company and you own shares in the company, you have an additional option that may or may not be good for your portfolio. In the case of Aunt Jemima, I personally don't care what they do, since I don't use their products. I'm a self-respecting Canadian who wouldn't be caught dead with their artificial syrup in my fridge (because I prefer real maple syrup from real maple trees) and didn't even know they made a pancake mix, I use Bisquick and it's excellent -- it's the mix in Red Lobster biscuits as a fun fact -- but I digress.

 

As for the language Nexus used: same deal. As a self-respecting Canadian, I tend toward direct, clear descriptions in my own use of language. If I want to tell somebody to "get fucked" for example (to be clear, I'm not telling you to get fucked at all, just an example), that's the language I'll use. If somebody is acting like an asshole, in my opinion it's better to convey my reservation for their behaviour in no uncertain terms. In the case of Nexus, I think they communicated their company values clearly and concisely with their choice of words and I can respect that. Better that than being wishy-washy.

 

Finally, to address the topic regardless of its veiled underlying intent (in my opinion), if LL wants to compete with Nexus, that's up to the people who own LL. I don't know if you're one of them but I certainly am not, so any such decision would be up to LL. You said "...asks if we should compete with Nexus". Maybe you can claim some greater ownership of LL than I, again I don't know, but I'm not sure if by "we" you mean LL as a company or LL the company and it's customers/users. I suppose it would depend on whether LL could attract the efforts of all the mod authors currently using Nexus to platform their work. Perhaps rebranding Loverslab as simply "LL Mods" and using tighter restrictions to access the hardcore sex content and marketing a theoretical "LL Mods" as "the fairer, funner, freer, freakier" (I don't know  ) mod hosting platform and gradually building server space starting with some of the bigger, more recent non sex mods (including CBBE, but also perhaps wardrobe packs by Vtaw maybe) could compete to some extent with Nexus. At least that's how I'd do it were I a decision maker for Loverslab, but I'm not.

 

EDIT: added qualifier to my preference for Canadian real maple syrup over artificial syrups as a "self-respecting Canadian" (tongue-in-cheek Canadian humblebrag) to be sure that my idea is only for the quality of the syrup, since genuine Canadian maple syrup is the very best in the world in my opinion, and nothing to do with how any foodstuffs company chooses to market or brand itself, or any particular person or group of people and frankly, I can't believe we've come to a moment in society where I feel compelled by some unseen hand to have to say all this, yet here we are

Edited December 5, 2022 by LT12Gauge
clarity, see text

[Lyman the Lunatic]

I disagree, I don't want Loverslab to become the competitor of Nexus. I know LL can, but being big means attracts more people. Nexus didn't become what it is overnight, it's been a gradual change for yrs. LL will be forced to change the TOS & there'll be more mods who enforce their own ideology & use their mod ways to force the change to turn LL into something like Nexus. And there are ideological groups on here, you'll see them soon enough.

Maybe 1 day, LL will become Nexus. I prefer that day to come as slowest as possible.

[Idyll]

44 minutes ago, Lyman the Lunatic said:

I disagree, I don't want Loverslab to become the competitor of Nexus. I know LL can, but being big means attracts more people. Nexus didn't become what it is overnight, it's been a gradual change for yrs. LL will be forced to change the TOS & there'll be more mods who enforce their own ideology & use their mod ways to force the change to turn LL into something like Nexus. And there are ideological groups on here, you'll see them soon enough.

Maybe 1 day, LL will become Nexus. I prefer that day to come as slowest as possible.

 

I like the optimism in this statement but, like, I guess one could tell LL as a "local militia" of modding, whereas Nexus is moreso like Vietnam getting war-stuff imported from Russia; there's a bigger thing behind Nexus than the handful of porn mod vigilantes and their fans keeping LL a thing.

 

Naturally, qualitywise LL beats the services that deal in cheaper wares, but as I learned being an artist, the capable and potent don't always see themselves recognised for it.

[belegost]

On 12/6/2022 at 12:09 AM, Idyll said:

wares

Do khajiit have them?

[ugrena]

On 11/28/2022 at 9:14 PM, katrina.balanchuk said:

They say "A penny for your thoughts" ?

So here are mine: I am still a premium member over at Nexus but the pressure to conform to a certain ideology over there is clear.

Forums and the internet should be bastions of Freedom, our Samizdat * , so to speak, not places where creators and members get bullied

Example:

https://www.nexusmods.com/news/14733

 

While LL is very open minded to all comers especially in the area of erotic, it is Damning in my opinion that they w/o warning shut down that mod and banned the member and Also see that last paragraph on bottom.

 

This kind of misconduct on part of leadership cannot be rewarded, I will soon cancel my premium membership after a couple last downloads.

 

And , while I, (and I suspect nearly al) members), came here looking for erotic mods I feel there is room here to grow in general game discussions and non adult mods too.

 

I will try to do my very small and humble part with doing general discussion of my game of choice and I encourage others to do the same

 

The old adage of forums says : "Posts beget more posts and more posts turns lurkers into posters"

Maybe one day we could all out Mods non erotic and non erotic organized by game tabs and mods tabs. Like Nexus does. This will make things easier to find than rummaging through forum pages and be a first step in competing.   Just my thoughts.

 

* Samizdat: Dissident media in Eastern Europe during the days of the Iron curtain, a way for folks to go around ideology controlled state media.

This could be leaflets placed on car windshields at night or the like.

In my humble opinion, today the internet can and should be a source of freedom form ideological pressures.

Definitely think some genuine competition would make Nexus rethink their approach, but I find it extremely unlikely that LL is that competition. We'll always be a dark corner of the modding community that neither the modders nor the industry wants to acknowledge, and that's fine. That's what has allowed the people here to make the things they have. Shedding more light on this community would probably destroy it, or change it to a point that it would no longer be what it is. I say let us keep flying under the radar, and continue to be the beautiful bunch of degenerates that we are.